Can they even legally fingerprint you when they are only "detaining" you? I thought you had to be arrested for them to do that, even if they end up not charging you with anything. Can you imagine anyone being detained for "suspected LEFT-WING ideologies"?
A job for the FSU maybe? It certainly sounds like he should get some compensation for his missed ferry and having to pay for a hotel.
The point is that they don’t care. Even if you get the FSU to represent you, spend two years fighting a court case and get paid damages, the job has already been done. The next person in line will keep their mouth shut and not take the risk. The police pay no price, the taxpayers bears the cost. Job done.
Is the Youtube second strike or ban you mentioned the reason I can't play the media inside the @JakeMunro post at the bottom of this article?
Thanks for explaining to us what's going on. For one thing, "detention" is a giant legal loophole the police use to arrest our freedom. And it's terrifying to see the West give itself away to Islamic and "trans" ideologies. I was surprised antisemitism is on the UK's list of concerns.
There used to be ways around this for people who didn't have accounts and therefore weren't 'logged in'. X have stopped all that so now you can likely view one post, maybe a few replies, by general searching or following a link to a post, then it asks you to log in. Covers the page in pop-ups and won't let you play the sound on videos.
I don't want an account, I don't want to have to log in. There's a question over how institutions that aren't private companies communicate with the public and for genuine public and necessary information. Many state services say oh look, just look at the information on X or Instagram, when they know many can't or won't. It's not publicly accessible. There's a very grey area with how we can, should, want to and are 'allowed' to communicate now and this article shows exactly why.
It does make me wonder if the apparently random question about whether he considers himself to be "a threat to trans people" is a clue to who is behind the Police action and the YouTube ban. It is certainly their style.
Yes, it's like what happened to Ceri, also in Northern Ireland and where the police seemed to take it upon themselves to harass her on the orders of the trans mob and a few endlessly vexatious men. Every resource is then thrown at it. Then they have to drop it when it's found to be baseless and they're the ones doing the harassment. But they find a way to hold cases open 'in case' a further nothing turns up maybe. This again appears like a bizarre fishing expedition, to cover any and all eventualities and if there was the merest sniff of a possibility he may have 'offended' someone, somewhere, maybe. Those with the thinnest of skins who often (are always) the most offended, the most violent and proactive with their threats and claims.
So it's been prompted by a (mystery) 'complaint' or 'report', with apparently little evidence or cause, then leapt upon and 'progressed' by those in the service. Various Welsh police services (as well as the rest of the UK) seemed endlessly confused about what was in their legal remit to do or say. Or who to arrest and hold against their will. Intimidate. Threaten. Even remove from the streets and refuse to protect, with palpably false and odd reasons like being women. Told to stay at home. Lesbians refused the right to meet, be out in public expressing awful wimminy views and warned they were upsetting vile, aggressive, threatening trans zealots. The list of potential thoughtcrimes this man was detained over have the same thread of intolerant and extremist nature so they merge into each other. Whether that's so-called religious or quasi-religious, it genuinely feels the same to me observing all this. Then they escalate until the police are slapped down and told to act like reasonable adults.
Sad to see they're still at it and trying to catch people out on the oddest of tip-offs. It further erodes public trust in them, which is the only basis they operate within. If the general public have no clue and can't work out on what basis they're acting, they're in real trouble.
We have to talk about these issues, get them out, discuss it openly. And we do still have the right to.
For borders and immigration services to detain him like this is, like they did with Graham, another chilling element and almost beyond description. Clearly flexing their power to show us that we know where you are and can swoop whenever we like. Are we supposed to be scared?
This is alarming, no actually terrifying. Being detained for the contemplation of an ideology? Thought police! Is there really no right to free think and free speech in the UK?
I assumed the police were trying to find out if he's a threat to Jewish people (though antisemitism is a left-wing feature, these days, more than right-wing).
It sounds like they were going through a potential bingo list. There's not much coherence to the list of options he was suspected of being and they were clutching at straws. British police are doing this a lot.
Sadly it's both extreme left and right, they're cheeks of the same ar*ehole. And everyone is now randomly accused of being everything so it's a total mess of trying to prove a negative.
Which lets the actually violent, the real terrorists, the totally unhinged, wander around doing what they like and actually attacking people.
I watch his stuff from time to time on You Tube. Crazy how free speech keeps cross-pollinating all of these sites. I worry quite a bit for those in the UK right now.
Can they even legally fingerprint you when they are only "detaining" you? I thought you had to be arrested for them to do that, even if they end up not charging you with anything. Can you imagine anyone being detained for "suspected LEFT-WING ideologies"?
A job for the FSU maybe? It certainly sounds like he should get some compensation for his missed ferry and having to pay for a hotel.
The point is that they don’t care. Even if you get the FSU to represent you, spend two years fighting a court case and get paid damages, the job has already been done. The next person in line will keep their mouth shut and not take the risk. The police pay no price, the taxpayers bears the cost. Job done.
Is the Youtube second strike or ban you mentioned the reason I can't play the media inside the @JakeMunro post at the bottom of this article?
Thanks for explaining to us what's going on. For one thing, "detention" is a giant legal loophole the police use to arrest our freedom. And it's terrifying to see the West give itself away to Islamic and "trans" ideologies. I was surprised antisemitism is on the UK's list of concerns.
The post at the bottom of the article is on X not YouTube and the media plays OK for me when I click it and it opening on X.
I agree with the rest of your post! 👍
Thank you - I recently deleted my X account and didn't know this could happen.
There used to be ways around this for people who didn't have accounts and therefore weren't 'logged in'. X have stopped all that so now you can likely view one post, maybe a few replies, by general searching or following a link to a post, then it asks you to log in. Covers the page in pop-ups and won't let you play the sound on videos.
I don't want an account, I don't want to have to log in. There's a question over how institutions that aren't private companies communicate with the public and for genuine public and necessary information. Many state services say oh look, just look at the information on X or Instagram, when they know many can't or won't. It's not publicly accessible. There's a very grey area with how we can, should, want to and are 'allowed' to communicate now and this article shows exactly why.
It does make me wonder if the apparently random question about whether he considers himself to be "a threat to trans people" is a clue to who is behind the Police action and the YouTube ban. It is certainly their style.
I thought that myself. It's got trans-activist written all over it.
Yes, it's like what happened to Ceri, also in Northern Ireland and where the police seemed to take it upon themselves to harass her on the orders of the trans mob and a few endlessly vexatious men. Every resource is then thrown at it. Then they have to drop it when it's found to be baseless and they're the ones doing the harassment. But they find a way to hold cases open 'in case' a further nothing turns up maybe. This again appears like a bizarre fishing expedition, to cover any and all eventualities and if there was the merest sniff of a possibility he may have 'offended' someone, somewhere, maybe. Those with the thinnest of skins who often (are always) the most offended, the most violent and proactive with their threats and claims.
So it's been prompted by a (mystery) 'complaint' or 'report', with apparently little evidence or cause, then leapt upon and 'progressed' by those in the service. Various Welsh police services (as well as the rest of the UK) seemed endlessly confused about what was in their legal remit to do or say. Or who to arrest and hold against their will. Intimidate. Threaten. Even remove from the streets and refuse to protect, with palpably false and odd reasons like being women. Told to stay at home. Lesbians refused the right to meet, be out in public expressing awful wimminy views and warned they were upsetting vile, aggressive, threatening trans zealots. The list of potential thoughtcrimes this man was detained over have the same thread of intolerant and extremist nature so they merge into each other. Whether that's so-called religious or quasi-religious, it genuinely feels the same to me observing all this. Then they escalate until the police are slapped down and told to act like reasonable adults.
Sad to see they're still at it and trying to catch people out on the oddest of tip-offs. It further erodes public trust in them, which is the only basis they operate within. If the general public have no clue and can't work out on what basis they're acting, they're in real trouble.
We have to talk about these issues, get them out, discuss it openly. And we do still have the right to.
For borders and immigration services to detain him like this is, like they did with Graham, another chilling element and almost beyond description. Clearly flexing their power to show us that we know where you are and can swoop whenever we like. Are we supposed to be scared?
This is disgusting!
This is alarming, no actually terrifying. Being detained for the contemplation of an ideology? Thought police! Is there really no right to free think and free speech in the UK?
In addition to all the above, did the police really ask him what he thought the problem was with Jews?!
I assumed the police were trying to find out if he's a threat to Jewish people (though antisemitism is a left-wing feature, these days, more than right-wing).
It sounds like they were going through a potential bingo list. There's not much coherence to the list of options he was suspected of being and they were clutching at straws. British police are doing this a lot.
Sadly it's both extreme left and right, they're cheeks of the same ar*ehole. And everyone is now randomly accused of being everything so it's a total mess of trying to prove a negative.
Which lets the actually violent, the real terrorists, the totally unhinged, wander around doing what they like and actually attacking people.
Thanks, Graham.
They haven't learned yet have they!! Still the Thought Police!!
Despite the court cases!!!!!!!!
Will cross post in due course
Dusty
Blimey!
I watch his stuff from time to time on You Tube. Crazy how free speech keeps cross-pollinating all of these sites. I worry quite a bit for those in the UK right now.
Thank you for saying something about this Graham.
I wonder what the police would have done if he’d refused to go with them? Since he wasn’t arrested, he should have been free to decline