Listen, I ‘m furious at what has happened over the past 20 years. I lived in Australia for a couple of years in the 70’s and I happened to live in Kings Cross (really…) It was my first really contact with the gay scene and I’ll never forget how welcoming they were ever to a straight bloke like me. The Australian governments recently have been an utter disgrace (although they’ve never been wonderful). All power to the ladies there in the fight against this appalling injustice.
Thanks Ronald and yes the gay scene back then was very different and welcoming to anyone who was, lost, curious, young and open. I really hope the LGB can regain a community. LGB Alliance in Oz the UK and other countries are fighting for that.
Thanks for this insightful article! As a trans widow, whose husband and his therapists claimed I'm "lesbian" and just didn't know it or acknowledge it. Based on living a traditional mother at home with-small-children-fathered-by-him life. I'm curious to know if lesbians are finding "woke" relatives even harder to listen to, after these well-written and necessary US executive orders? I'd love to interview about the corrupt therapists and their insulting presumptions. Lesbian friends were a great support to me, when I got this outrageous pressure to change my sexual orientation after 2 pregnancies in a heterosexual marriage in the mid-1990s. I know of at least 4 trans widows down under, and the political climate there is very difficult. Here's an example of my channel material:
Thanks for your comment it's very much appreciated- Carole from the LAG has been criticised by her own daughter and granddaughter for speaking out so she's an incredibly brave woman for taking this on and facing the legal process. Your husband's therapist sounds like an unethical and abusive person.. when I realised how captured the mental health field was I almost lost my mind.. I will write / research more about it.. perhaps we might talk about your experience for an article? Let me know and we can chat. Jenny
Thanks! For sure, I'm available to interview, chat, zoom record and etc. My sons have become quite hardened and will not have contact with me, despite teen years when they resented their father immensely. I've published a memoir, In the Curated Woods, True Tales from a Grass Widow (iuniverse, 2022) and reveal the truth about the wives' experiences at length on my channel. I'm just going to trust everyone here and give you my email: leautsira@gmail.com. Lea Utsira is the pen name I publish children's books under. The myth that the wives of AGP men need to realize we're "lesbians" is widespread in the therapy field. I don't believe that Neddy's therapist was unusually cruel or insensitive. I caught Dr. Wheeler doing insurance fraud, reported her, and now she's "uncertified." The "gender" therapists only focus on the needs of the crossdressing man, never the needs of those around him, as the lesbian groups know. I have data on 65 trans widows, and the patterns are clear.
Thanks so much! I hope more trans widows will contact me about their experiences at the above email address so that I will have over 100 for my next book. That's going slowly . .
Gender ideologists just make it up as they go along. It's all smoke and mirrors and changes by the minute. They never give an exact definition of what trans means, because they can't agree on the definition among themselves. It's laughable, apart from the fact that they are mutilating children.
On one hand they say that gender is fixed as a two year old, so boys need to have their dicks cut off, but on the other hand, they say gender can be fluid, so men who identify as women can keep their dicks. What if the boys getting their dicks cut off are actually gender fluid? They don't wait to find out. Are boys who are 'puppygender' allowed to keep their dicks? It's insane.
Even in the policy discussed in this article, they are inconsistent. They claim they want spaces for anyone who 'identifies as a woman' which they say includes men, but they aren't saying non binary people, transmen, puppygenders and asexuals (none of whom 'identify' as women) should stay out, so they are being hypocrites.
Transmen don't identify as women, but many are lesbians. According to this ill thought out law, even those lesbians aren't allowed to be in lesbian spaces. So let men in, but keep out actual lesbians 😡
The bottom line is that they want all TQs to have access everywhere, regardless of how they 'identify' and stuff everyone else's rights.
Yes that's right - it's maddening and like fighting with jello. Let's hope the fever dream is finally breaking, it's been heartbreaking to speaking to young lesbians who are silenced, shamed and excluded from their own circle of lesbians and older lesbians are silenced and shamed for fighting for them. Let's hope that we can change this.
Very interesting. I would add, at the risk of being accused of "mansplaining" that the famous paragraph you quote from 1984 illustrates the genius of Orwell’s prescience. However, what he did not see was *how* the state could be so corrupted and subverted but we are sure as Hell seeing it now! The cause is the intellectual murder of the ideas of “the Enightenment” (the age of reason) which began in our Universities when the age of woke came to be in the 1990’s. Within 20+ years it captured the state and all of it’s institutions, the media, the arts and business. Rationality & science and all the glorious advances ot the 17th & 18th Centuries flushed away by a tsunami of postmodern bullshit. Gone is the notion of a foundational historical narrative in favour of social constructionist nihilism. The notion that everything is relative gave us feminism, multiculturalism, and postcolonialism. Feminism is partly to blame for all of this cultural chaos and so I would say to all the TERF’s (trans exclusionary radical feminists) who are up in arms about how their hard won freedoms are being revoked: your grandmothers taught you to sew and you are reaping. Be careful what you wish for because the wheel turns.
Yet the people are the state and maybe they get the state they deserve if it is their choice to look away as evil takes advantage of their passivity, their wilful ignorance and their refusal to stand up for themselves. The WW2 generation managed to do just that to defeat the Nazis. Hitler was an external enemy. The universities are an insidious internal enemy where free speech is dead. They are the new facists and the champions of cancel culture, thought crime and irrationality.
Hi Patrick - indeed - it's taken me the best part of 3 years and I'm still reeling from what's happened. I'm now reading the Queering of the American Child and what's happening in schools is terrifying with their rainbow clubs and indoctrination of children. I'm also fascinated with feminism and just read Feminism Against Progress by Mary Harrington... it's an excellent book and well worth reading. You can also listen to her on different podcasts. Thanks for your comment - it's really appreciated.
Indeed it should and largely has been but labels are often misleading, third wave feminism embraced trans identity ideology, sex work as 'work', surrogacy etc so I'd first have to define what we mean - first wave, second wave or third wave? I feel the same way about how the word 'the left' is used... what is the left when it's has become more censorious (words are violence/no debate), trans activist (so against women's rights to safety, freedom of association, protection in prisons etc and fairness in sport?) It has felt like an upside down world where words might mean very different things and no longer what we might historically have thought. Mary Harrington has helped me think about the limits of 'endless progress' which is great for porn, the trans industry, transhmanism, surrogacy where we continue to insist on our 'rights' to whatever we want as free consumers. The trans issue has sent me into a much deeper search about what I think and I'm still trying to stay open read and inquire more.
This is all fascinating and new to me and a debate I would like to persue until I can work out what I actually think about it. Hopefully, treading carefully because it's not my doorstep. We will see...
'The notion that everything is relative gave us feminism'. Nope. Feminists fought for the right for women and girls to a) a full education equal to that which males got , b) the right to vote and stand for political office, c) the right to choose to end an unwanted pregnancy and d) the right to fair financial compensation for services rendered to men and their children as mothers and wives after divorce. Lesbian rights were also fought for by the real feminists of old. Nothing relative or post-modern about any of that. I suggest you read The Second Sex.
Yes I completely agree with you and I've been part of that fight which is why I'm so furious about the loss of lesbian rights to freedom of association. See my comment above which might help clarify what I meant about feminism and thanks for your comment.
Sorry, I meant to reply to Patrick Young who blames feminism in large part for the rise of trans and its decimation of lesbian rights, but it came up as a reply to your reply to him. I'll repost it as a reply to him. :-)
No apology needed because mine wasn't very clear and this is an conversation atm on X. Genevieve Gluck will be writing about this and tracing the roots of the trans cult to early psychiatrists and others so check out her substack if you haven't already. We need to understand how this virus leaked out of the lab and infected the world... certainly Pharma have been massively invested as well as AGPs like Rothblatt and Pritzker family etc. It's like the biggest jigsaw puzzle you can imagine and each of us are looking at a small area. I wish you all the best and thanks again.
No worries. Just back from my weekly lap out the rage swim session. I've read a lot on this. Bilek is about the best on tracing its origins with her 'follow the money' approach. I also had a son who was quick to tell me about how artificial wombs are going to be operational soon and we won't need mothers anymore. We are long estranged now. There are so many tentacles to this monster, and so many victims. Thanks for your work and comments too.
The notion that everything is relative gave us feminism'. Nope. Feminists fought for the right for women and girls to a) a full education equal to that which males got , b) the right to vote and stand for political office, c) the right to choose to end an unwanted pregnancy and d) the right to fair financial compensation for services rendered to men and their children as mothers and wives after divorce. Lesbian rights were also fought for by the real feminists of old. Nothing relative or post-modern about any of that. I suggest you read The Second Sex.
Noted! Great work (points a-d). Who would argue against that. Not me. I did an initial wiki scan (for now). It states: "She (Simone de Beauvoir) describes women's subordination to the species in terms of reproduction, compares the physiology of men and women, concluding that values cannot be based on physiology and that the facts of biology must be viewed in light of the ontological, economic, social, and physiological context" - isn't that the exact position of Trans Ideology? And, why Trans activists are invading your safe spaces and freedom of association? I suggest you look up https://www.britannica.com/topic/postmodernism-philosophy/Postmodernism-and-relativism and https://www.britannica.com/topic/identity-politics
You should have stopped at 'noted!' Beauvoir's feminism is the opposite of trans sexism. You've overlooked the title of the work and so its essential message. What it says in essence is that women have been subordinated by men via the exploitation of our reproductive role (biology) combined with religious and ancient stereotypes of our intellectual inferiority and child-rearing, man-serving destiny, such that 'woman is not born but made' through these exploitations and expectations socially constructed by men who claimed 'first sex' status. I say again, you should read TSS.
I'd be really cautious about wikis as they tend to mis-summarise in fairly odd ways which seems unfair when people are genuinely looking for knowledge. This substack is a great place to go back through the archive. Glinner's wiki entries are continually rewritten from outright lies to the worst skew imaginable, then will be edited again within seconds as trans activists realised the online world was one of their greatest ways to dominate all discussion and skew all our reality. If you know the cartoon aka everyone online is a dog.
And no. It's not the exact position of trans ideology. It's starting from a different point, then misconstruing (the politest word I can think of) to detach that from her other work, and the time, and the consensus or debates of the time, then misattribute a lot more. Genderology has a (very deliberate) habit of 'reframing' and 'reinterpreting' a lot. I would answer more fully but can't for now (time differences). It takes decades in postmodernist academic thought yourself to have the vocabulary and methods to deconstruct their bilge and counter it. Which is why they refuse (no debate) and deplatform and scream at us who do so. They ultimately have no logic and they, and we, know it.
There are also some very helpful crash course introductions to the philosophical/psychiatric/sociological/phenomenological background or canon (add to this as you find more to add; it's all academically linked) right here from contributers on this substack and in comments.
I call BS on the tired OLD attack on women (dehumanized by the term Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminist). Do you realize that you are attacking the VERY pioneers who fought to EXCLUDE men from their groups. YES the R has a meaning.
As a woman who grew up along with the Feminist movement in the US and under the guidance of a single Mom who acted like a Feminist but avoided socio-political labels - I will womansplain to you mansplaination. Both of my parents were gender-non-conforming, but they achieved adulthood with the freedom to do as they pleased in the sex they were born as.
I grew up in a culture where women were being the keys to the kingdom for the first time. And to be sure, the Lesbian dominated feminist pioneers of the 70s who fought for Roe v. Wade, which didn't exist at the time I was born - were antagonist toward the world men had confined them to. They were the first to fight against the "True Transsexuals" who were being ushered in as both exotic and regressive examples of the new sexual liberation.
The grassroots Feminists fought for sexual freedoms and boundaries on THEIR terms. Many of the leaders were gender non-conforming Lesbians and suspected men in general. And it turns out they were right to do so.
Male dominated mainstream culture perverted "feminism" into what it has become today lionizing faux femmes as the Women of the Year and female Only Fans prostitutes where sex is an extreme sport. In the fall of 2024 one creator marketed a one day sex stunt of having sex with 100 men in one day. This is the type of "liberation" that mainstream society funneled women into. Women can have all the sex we want or don't want and be called Sluts for enjoying sex too much or Prudes for not wanting it enough. We can be "respected" as sex workers but denied our rights to bodily autonomy through the banishing of Roe v. Wade. If women are to blame for all the present Trans nonsense - it is because we were naive of the perverted intentions of a a certain class of very wealthy and powerful men.
Those men were always scheming and strategizing in the background - focused on normalizing everything from sex-mimickery to pedophilia and everything sexually unspeakable. Men like John Money inventor of the concept of gender as an identity and becoming fraudulently famous for building research on the years long sexual abuse of 2 twin boys; Harry Benjamin - founder of WPATH, Marc Bowers aka Marcie - Benjamin's Acolyte with a legacy of butchering 100s of of children and countless adults under the fiction of Trans medicalization; Martin/Martine Rosenblatt, a multi-millionaire who joined with a handful of other faux femmes to draft International Gender Law - who has also started the Terasem movement promoting the idea that humans can be reduced to mindfiles that can be stored in robots - he has done so by creating a robotic talking head of his wife Bina. How very Narcissistic AGP of him to reduce her female humanity to a head while he claims full "womanhood" through gendersalad ideology, and let us not forget Jennifer once James Pritzker - the multimillionaire philanthropist to LGBTQ+ Dem Party from a family made wealthy through Rand Pharmaceuticals. He is also the cousin to JB Pritzker who served as governor to Illinois State.
The last three men listed are AutoGynophiles - all living full adult male lives with wives, children and high powered careers. These men have never been "in danger" as fey faux femmes. Boers was the youngest to transition at 37, having sired 3 kids and completed his gynecological and surgical residencies. Rosenblatt had 5 kids before he turned his wife into a robot & claimed her womanhood at 40. And Pritzker implausible claimed womanhood at 63 - nearly retirement age following his retirement as a career Military officer in the army leaving as a Lieutenant Colonel. He had 3 children. Oh and can we forget Admiral Rachel Levine once Richard, our last Health Services Secrerary. He was a Pediatrician (Ewwww) and had 2 kids before transitioning at 53.
There are many OTHER very influential AGPs hiding in plain sight manipulating the levers of government and society in stealth. The agenda of the Trans movement comes from Regressive idea that women are sexual objects to be fetishized. And women are NOT at fault for this perversion hiding in the Trojan horse of a Social Justice Movement. Transactivism is and will always be the result of men maniacally focused on normalizing any number of sexual fetishes.
Leave Women the F out of this blame and shamery! Perverted Men started it and society (including women) were naive enough to trust them and follow their lead. But the very women you and they slur as TERFS were visionary in fighting the sexually motivated shenanigans of AGP MEN from the beginning. You would do well to give them their due respect!
Simone De Beauvoir predated all this nonsense. She very well knew that binary sexual Biology existed. She never argued against that reality. What she argued against was the societal LIMITATIONS placed upon women as the "second sex". The AGP led Trans movement has sought to deprive women of NOT ONLY our biological reality but also any respect associated with it. Mother's become pregnant people who have front holes. While Ahole AGPs like Bruce/Katelyn and Dylan Mulvaney Jenner claim honors of Women of the year!
FFS women did NOT choose this for ourselves! Powerful men initiated this corrupt insanity. And if anything - women in society forever being groomed to be agreeable nice girls - went along to get along. As they ALWAYS have in order to survive a male-dominated society that is focused on controlling & erasing them.
The women who have always fought are not called women but TERFS like our rights are a Turf territory to be colonized by men. If you claim to be a supporter of reality - stop spewing the anti-woman AGP propaganda like it is God's truth. Women are NOT to blame for a movement driven by male sexuality.
Simone de Beauvoir and the early feminists were arguing against 'gender stereotyping'. The TRAs base their whole argument precisely on gender stereotyping - this boy is effeminate so he must be a girl - this girl is a tomboy so she must be a boy!! And the fetishistic transvestites have tried to re-invent themselves as 'women' by simply wearing a dress and a wig and tilting their head. How is any of that the fault of feminism!!??
I think the frame that this is about 'blame' is not helpful. It's about responsibility as in women's capacity and choice to 'respond' to what's happened. It's undeniable that many women help to drive this movement, protest and denigrate older women Terfs. There are so many 'progressive' women politicians/actors/writers/journalists/doctors committed ideologues that silence and shame women who speak out. These women have not been 'colonised by men' but to argue they have is to argue that women don't have their own mind, will, choice or agency. I reject that. We can't get out of the trans ideology cult until we look more broadly at how ideology works, including feminist ideology, DEI ideology. Queer ideology. Sacred cows stop us thinking - women will never be free until we are accountable as full participants in our politics, culture and society.
The problem is - everyone forgets to focus on WHO is financing and promoting all of this. There are tons of ideas in the academic, business, govt world - but they do not catch fire Unless there are powerful interests behind them. Actual feminist and civil rights movements maybe lasted a couple of decades - until their leaders were murdered, theories were co-opted, and messages distorted. True feminism which focused on giving women equal access to the educational and financial opportunities men have had for millenia - morphed into focusing upon the darling of the male left- the alleged sexual liberation of women.
Women pay to be brainwashed in college - that sexully degrading oneself is honorable work, that men can be women just because they say so, and women are celebrated for flaunting their sexual "power". (But demonized for attempting to achieve power beyond their bodies - see Hillary Clinton) The wealthy men at the top are pulling the strings but - you prefer to ignore this - while blaming women who are following the laws men made. Either they are handmaidens for following the man-made laws or TERFS for defying man made laws. Implausible women are the historical scapegoat of all the sins of men. How predictable. How very Christian - just blame Eve, or before that Pandora - while God & Zeus the Poweful Males set up the women to take the blame from the getgo.
The thing is - the whole discussion originated from some other guys rant on how women are to blame for a movement that is primarily defined by Male Sexual Drive and has been supported by the International Male led institutions.
I would not have stated myself so forcefully, if this wasn't a boilerplate argument dragged out by many alleged friends in this fight against Gender Ideology. I see it all the time on X - Where are the women? Why are women allowing all this to happen? Look at how Simone De Beauvoir and others whose work had nothing to do with trans activism paved the road for TransActivism! Look at how all the Feminists are supporting Trans ID (This is a lie, those women supporting Trans ID against other women - are about as "feminist" as a TransID male is a woman - it is just another example of the corruption of language).
If anyone is to "blame" it is those who have the most power to change all of this - and as you have experienced it yourself, it isn't women. Women are not empowered politically, legally, academically, by media - to shift this movement - unless the powerful men agree to listen to the women. If they HAD the power, the feminists (aka TERFS) who started the fight alone in the 70's would have done so already. Instead, after fighting for nearly 3/4 of a century they are getting blamed - REALLY? And this doesn't piss you off? You have fought harder than most!
As I don't actually hate men, nor do I feel all men or women are to "blame" for the present state of affairs regarding Trans madness - I would place the blame primarily on powerful white men across the political spectrum for facilitating this.
AND coincidentally - powerful white men are the primary individuals that can fix this problem - Thanks Trump. (FYI - this is the one of the rare policies of his I agree with, I did not vote for him)
Had Obama or Biden not been captured by the trans-ideology, they too could have improved things rather than made them worse.
As far as I can see, there is NO woman or group of women who have achieved the amount of world power to make the changes that powerful men in society can make. I wish I was wrong, but I know I am not in this case.
Thank you Jenny and we're thinking of you (here and all over). I don't know enough to know if that is the last ditch attempt and way to appeal against that last ruling. But surely. Surely there is a way. How an entire Nation's governance looks bananas.
'The Australian Human Rights Commission - working hard to push the rights of men everywhere in Australia (forcefully down the throats of all women and girls and watch them choke as we do it)'*
*we would like to acknowledge and pay homage to the original owners of the words 'woman', 'female' and obviously all 'women's rights' that we have stolen as we desecrate women in total and utter contempt
What about women-only safe spaces, meeting places for women who have suffered abuse etc, and are often effectively in hiding from dangerous men? Surely they haven't been "outlawed" as well? Some very bad actors are behind this diabolical attempt at engineering and dividing society. Curses on them.
The only way things will change here in Oz is if the ruling party repeals Gillard’s law and we stop this distinction between sex and gender. I can’t see it happening with either of the main parties. The Nationals are fairly conservative but their partners on the Liberal party are gutless with a few notable exceptions.
Hmm, Jenny. I'm going to bow out of this thread. A feminist civil war is no place for a man. I can do without all the rage. It confirms what I thought about the majority of vocal feminist activists. Enjoy the debate.
Patrick, I watched you walk into that, and that is part of the problem. I hoped you wouldn't. But it's not up to me to warn you and a few tried and you persisted and in some unconsidered statements about this debate and in fact our history and personal history. Wish I'd had money on it. Please don't blame anyone here for having the grace to respond to you and give you answers when you gave the impression you wanted to know. Often it's incredibly useful to have a range of views expressed in many different ways and we are adults. I have done stakeholder work and you might be surprised by what is expressed in rooms and how you need to leave your own reaction and response aside in order to create the space and hear honest views in a dialogue. It requires a trust.
It's not up to women to keep explaining to men as we are often criticised for not doing it in the right way, as in the way you want. The way that might be more comfortable, usual or habitual for you. Many here were very restrained. Men have shaped the debate, and it is men who still tell us women what we are - it's constraining and coercive. Being physically bigger and louder is usually the key way in person that is done and it shapes how we communicate. Intimidation. We have to find new ways, eternally and continually to get our voices heard. We have ennui having to teach, to be kind, to explain over and over and over. When all the world's knowledge is at your fingertips. Britannica and Wiki links might not ever get a great reception in more serious debates or fora. Which this is as the range of hellish abuses are covered. Shrinking violets will find it tough as well as battle-hardened ones like me who've seen it all and am lucky to be alive. I wouldn't even suggest you weren't mansplaining then oddly slip into exactly that.
Did you already have your thoughts on what it might be like, and whatever happened has just confirmed what you thought about an area and women you have said you are not maybe well-versed in? That shows an inflexibility of thought and unwillingness to change. How can you ask questions and seek knowledge then reconfirm your own original position? What would we have to do or say to convince you? Many of us are sick of the lack of parity in who is expected to bend and accommodate the other. Usual male or female or gendered roles are taken and assigned.
To be schooled in how to debate, then how you wish women or anyone here to debate, risks what has obviously happened. It is robust at times here and many of us, me included have less and less patience for the more fragile egos. You have to catch up and we trust you can if you want to. Why did you leave that until now? Perhaps consider is it not up to us as girls or women, or feminists, or anyone, male or female to carefully guide you to what conclusions you want to get to. Maybe read and listen to some men if you find their style easier to hear. They often are saying exactly what we say and write. Men sometimes find men easier to listen to. To pay attention to. Many often believe and assume I am a man due to my professional role and it's hilarious how interactions go - they're easier and things get done, in a different way. Then in a room with mainly men or women our conversational styles or confidence can hamper outcomes.
This is not a 'feminist civil war'. That's veering towards if not hugely offensive and not going to win you friends. A few of us gave the time and attention to explain, and give you answers and a potted Simone history as you appeared to want to know. I like and love men and am no way a man hater or all the other things that are regularly hurled our way. We have to have hugely tough outer shells.
And rage? It comes with the territory I am afraid. And confusion, terror, frustration, fear, annoyance, loss, bemusement and the rest. I am usually very cautious and metered in my language as I have to be in my profession. But that accusation doesn't barely cover even slightly what I feel. Many of us are very used to having the way we debate, the way we are, the way we look, think and do everything criticised. When we risk using our voice we are told it's still not right, best reconsider, best not do it like that.
I raise my hat, a glass and a smile to all those who persisted and all those brave and courageous women and men who carried on being 'vocal' and to 'vocal feminist activists'.
Patrick - I am sure you are a very nice man. I know whenever I debate, I am not being personal. And if you took anything I said as a personal offenc Women are on the damned if they do and damned if they don't reality. Women are defensive, because we are being attacked by both "friend" and foe. So while you may feel like you are just harmlessly stating an opinion - it has the potential to trigger a history of heartache. Just understand regarding this issue - women are waking up to a history of trauma, that lays dormant in us all.
We have been confronted with our spaces, language, identity being officially erased in the laws of many lands. I have chosen to take an avatar in Substack related to politics, because I have been banned from from speaking out against Gender Ideology on another writing platform, and I don't want to be personally cancelled as well.
I hope you continue to support women in this fight. We need as many sincere, intelligent men in the battle! But please understand - women are under attack AND expected to defend our rights and attack those taking them at the same time. It seems for many men - it is a big SHRUG, except for kids being transitioned. No one is saying TransMen are MEN. That is never going to happen.
So I would invite you to engage in this little thought experiment : just imagine if a Alien body-snatchers were invading men's bodies/spaces/language and claiming to be men, even better than natural men - and women who were ruling the land were facilitating this process. And on top of this - whenever this horror was being discussed - women would point out how men aren't defending themselves well enough, and in FACT there was some man in the last century who spoke out about the limitations culture put on masculinity (prior to the Alien invasion) - and how so many men are not fighting against the laws of the land .... how would you feel?
Listen, I ‘m furious at what has happened over the past 20 years. I lived in Australia for a couple of years in the 70’s and I happened to live in Kings Cross (really…) It was my first really contact with the gay scene and I’ll never forget how welcoming they were ever to a straight bloke like me. The Australian governments recently have been an utter disgrace (although they’ve never been wonderful). All power to the ladies there in the fight against this appalling injustice.
Thanks Ronald and yes the gay scene back then was very different and welcoming to anyone who was, lost, curious, young and open. I really hope the LGB can regain a community. LGB Alliance in Oz the UK and other countries are fighting for that.
Thanks for this insightful article! As a trans widow, whose husband and his therapists claimed I'm "lesbian" and just didn't know it or acknowledge it. Based on living a traditional mother at home with-small-children-fathered-by-him life. I'm curious to know if lesbians are finding "woke" relatives even harder to listen to, after these well-written and necessary US executive orders? I'd love to interview about the corrupt therapists and their insulting presumptions. Lesbian friends were a great support to me, when I got this outrageous pressure to change my sexual orientation after 2 pregnancies in a heterosexual marriage in the mid-1990s. I know of at least 4 trans widows down under, and the political climate there is very difficult. Here's an example of my channel material:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VSwPvRZQYE
Thanks for your comment it's very much appreciated- Carole from the LAG has been criticised by her own daughter and granddaughter for speaking out so she's an incredibly brave woman for taking this on and facing the legal process. Your husband's therapist sounds like an unethical and abusive person.. when I realised how captured the mental health field was I almost lost my mind.. I will write / research more about it.. perhaps we might talk about your experience for an article? Let me know and we can chat. Jenny
Thanks! For sure, I'm available to interview, chat, zoom record and etc. My sons have become quite hardened and will not have contact with me, despite teen years when they resented their father immensely. I've published a memoir, In the Curated Woods, True Tales from a Grass Widow (iuniverse, 2022) and reveal the truth about the wives' experiences at length on my channel. I'm just going to trust everyone here and give you my email: leautsira@gmail.com. Lea Utsira is the pen name I publish children's books under. The myth that the wives of AGP men need to realize we're "lesbians" is widespread in the therapy field. I don't believe that Neddy's therapist was unusually cruel or insensitive. I caught Dr. Wheeler doing insurance fraud, reported her, and now she's "uncertified." The "gender" therapists only focus on the needs of the crossdressing man, never the needs of those around him, as the lesbian groups know. I have data on 65 trans widows, and the patterns are clear.
Thanks, Jenny, hope to hear from you, Ute
Your book was fab Ute , as I’ve said before , and I hope many others buy it 🙂
Thanks so much! I hope more trans widows will contact me about their experiences at the above email address so that I will have over 100 for my next book. That's going slowly . .
Gender ideologists just make it up as they go along. It's all smoke and mirrors and changes by the minute. They never give an exact definition of what trans means, because they can't agree on the definition among themselves. It's laughable, apart from the fact that they are mutilating children.
On one hand they say that gender is fixed as a two year old, so boys need to have their dicks cut off, but on the other hand, they say gender can be fluid, so men who identify as women can keep their dicks. What if the boys getting their dicks cut off are actually gender fluid? They don't wait to find out. Are boys who are 'puppygender' allowed to keep their dicks? It's insane.
Even in the policy discussed in this article, they are inconsistent. They claim they want spaces for anyone who 'identifies as a woman' which they say includes men, but they aren't saying non binary people, transmen, puppygenders and asexuals (none of whom 'identify' as women) should stay out, so they are being hypocrites.
Transmen don't identify as women, but many are lesbians. According to this ill thought out law, even those lesbians aren't allowed to be in lesbian spaces. So let men in, but keep out actual lesbians 😡
The bottom line is that they want all TQs to have access everywhere, regardless of how they 'identify' and stuff everyone else's rights.
Yes that's right - it's maddening and like fighting with jello. Let's hope the fever dream is finally breaking, it's been heartbreaking to speaking to young lesbians who are silenced, shamed and excluded from their own circle of lesbians and older lesbians are silenced and shamed for fighting for them. Let's hope that we can change this.
Menno has a new vid on this
Yes it's excellent and he's an amazing man who's been speaking out for years. - thanks Jenny
Very interesting. I would add, at the risk of being accused of "mansplaining" that the famous paragraph you quote from 1984 illustrates the genius of Orwell’s prescience. However, what he did not see was *how* the state could be so corrupted and subverted but we are sure as Hell seeing it now! The cause is the intellectual murder of the ideas of “the Enightenment” (the age of reason) which began in our Universities when the age of woke came to be in the 1990’s. Within 20+ years it captured the state and all of it’s institutions, the media, the arts and business. Rationality & science and all the glorious advances ot the 17th & 18th Centuries flushed away by a tsunami of postmodern bullshit. Gone is the notion of a foundational historical narrative in favour of social constructionist nihilism. The notion that everything is relative gave us feminism, multiculturalism, and postcolonialism. Feminism is partly to blame for all of this cultural chaos and so I would say to all the TERF’s (trans exclusionary radical feminists) who are up in arms about how their hard won freedoms are being revoked: your grandmothers taught you to sew and you are reaping. Be careful what you wish for because the wheel turns.
Yet the people are the state and maybe they get the state they deserve if it is their choice to look away as evil takes advantage of their passivity, their wilful ignorance and their refusal to stand up for themselves. The WW2 generation managed to do just that to defeat the Nazis. Hitler was an external enemy. The universities are an insidious internal enemy where free speech is dead. They are the new facists and the champions of cancel culture, thought crime and irrationality.
Hi Patrick - indeed - it's taken me the best part of 3 years and I'm still reeling from what's happened. I'm now reading the Queering of the American Child and what's happening in schools is terrifying with their rainbow clubs and indoctrination of children. I'm also fascinated with feminism and just read Feminism Against Progress by Mary Harrington... it's an excellent book and well worth reading. You can also listen to her on different podcasts. Thanks for your comment - it's really appreciated.
Thank you, Jenny. I will. BTW the idea of Feminism should be a force for good. I have no doubt about that.
Indeed it should and largely has been but labels are often misleading, third wave feminism embraced trans identity ideology, sex work as 'work', surrogacy etc so I'd first have to define what we mean - first wave, second wave or third wave? I feel the same way about how the word 'the left' is used... what is the left when it's has become more censorious (words are violence/no debate), trans activist (so against women's rights to safety, freedom of association, protection in prisons etc and fairness in sport?) It has felt like an upside down world where words might mean very different things and no longer what we might historically have thought. Mary Harrington has helped me think about the limits of 'endless progress' which is great for porn, the trans industry, transhmanism, surrogacy where we continue to insist on our 'rights' to whatever we want as free consumers. The trans issue has sent me into a much deeper search about what I think and I'm still trying to stay open read and inquire more.
This is all fascinating and new to me and a debate I would like to persue until I can work out what I actually think about it. Hopefully, treading carefully because it's not my doorstep. We will see...
'The notion that everything is relative gave us feminism'. Nope. Feminists fought for the right for women and girls to a) a full education equal to that which males got , b) the right to vote and stand for political office, c) the right to choose to end an unwanted pregnancy and d) the right to fair financial compensation for services rendered to men and their children as mothers and wives after divorce. Lesbian rights were also fought for by the real feminists of old. Nothing relative or post-modern about any of that. I suggest you read The Second Sex.
Yes I completely agree with you and I've been part of that fight which is why I'm so furious about the loss of lesbian rights to freedom of association. See my comment above which might help clarify what I meant about feminism and thanks for your comment.
Sorry, I meant to reply to Patrick Young who blames feminism in large part for the rise of trans and its decimation of lesbian rights, but it came up as a reply to your reply to him. I'll repost it as a reply to him. :-)
No apology needed because mine wasn't very clear and this is an conversation atm on X. Genevieve Gluck will be writing about this and tracing the roots of the trans cult to early psychiatrists and others so check out her substack if you haven't already. We need to understand how this virus leaked out of the lab and infected the world... certainly Pharma have been massively invested as well as AGPs like Rothblatt and Pritzker family etc. It's like the biggest jigsaw puzzle you can imagine and each of us are looking at a small area. I wish you all the best and thanks again.
No worries. Just back from my weekly lap out the rage swim session. I've read a lot on this. Bilek is about the best on tracing its origins with her 'follow the money' approach. I also had a son who was quick to tell me about how artificial wombs are going to be operational soon and we won't need mothers anymore. We are long estranged now. There are so many tentacles to this monster, and so many victims. Thanks for your work and comments too.
The notion that everything is relative gave us feminism'. Nope. Feminists fought for the right for women and girls to a) a full education equal to that which males got , b) the right to vote and stand for political office, c) the right to choose to end an unwanted pregnancy and d) the right to fair financial compensation for services rendered to men and their children as mothers and wives after divorce. Lesbian rights were also fought for by the real feminists of old. Nothing relative or post-modern about any of that. I suggest you read The Second Sex.
Noted! Great work (points a-d). Who would argue against that. Not me. I did an initial wiki scan (for now). It states: "She (Simone de Beauvoir) describes women's subordination to the species in terms of reproduction, compares the physiology of men and women, concluding that values cannot be based on physiology and that the facts of biology must be viewed in light of the ontological, economic, social, and physiological context" - isn't that the exact position of Trans Ideology? And, why Trans activists are invading your safe spaces and freedom of association? I suggest you look up https://www.britannica.com/topic/postmodernism-philosophy/Postmodernism-and-relativism and https://www.britannica.com/topic/identity-politics
You should have stopped at 'noted!' Beauvoir's feminism is the opposite of trans sexism. You've overlooked the title of the work and so its essential message. What it says in essence is that women have been subordinated by men via the exploitation of our reproductive role (biology) combined with religious and ancient stereotypes of our intellectual inferiority and child-rearing, man-serving destiny, such that 'woman is not born but made' through these exploitations and expectations socially constructed by men who claimed 'first sex' status. I say again, you should read TSS.
I'd be really cautious about wikis as they tend to mis-summarise in fairly odd ways which seems unfair when people are genuinely looking for knowledge. This substack is a great place to go back through the archive. Glinner's wiki entries are continually rewritten from outright lies to the worst skew imaginable, then will be edited again within seconds as trans activists realised the online world was one of their greatest ways to dominate all discussion and skew all our reality. If you know the cartoon aka everyone online is a dog.
And no. It's not the exact position of trans ideology. It's starting from a different point, then misconstruing (the politest word I can think of) to detach that from her other work, and the time, and the consensus or debates of the time, then misattribute a lot more. Genderology has a (very deliberate) habit of 'reframing' and 'reinterpreting' a lot. I would answer more fully but can't for now (time differences). It takes decades in postmodernist academic thought yourself to have the vocabulary and methods to deconstruct their bilge and counter it. Which is why they refuse (no debate) and deplatform and scream at us who do so. They ultimately have no logic and they, and we, know it.
There are also some very helpful crash course introductions to the philosophical/psychiatric/sociological/phenomenological background or canon (add to this as you find more to add; it's all academically linked) right here from contributers on this substack and in comments.
I call BS on the tired OLD attack on women (dehumanized by the term Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminist). Do you realize that you are attacking the VERY pioneers who fought to EXCLUDE men from their groups. YES the R has a meaning.
As a woman who grew up along with the Feminist movement in the US and under the guidance of a single Mom who acted like a Feminist but avoided socio-political labels - I will womansplain to you mansplaination. Both of my parents were gender-non-conforming, but they achieved adulthood with the freedom to do as they pleased in the sex they were born as.
I grew up in a culture where women were being the keys to the kingdom for the first time. And to be sure, the Lesbian dominated feminist pioneers of the 70s who fought for Roe v. Wade, which didn't exist at the time I was born - were antagonist toward the world men had confined them to. They were the first to fight against the "True Transsexuals" who were being ushered in as both exotic and regressive examples of the new sexual liberation.
The grassroots Feminists fought for sexual freedoms and boundaries on THEIR terms. Many of the leaders were gender non-conforming Lesbians and suspected men in general. And it turns out they were right to do so.
Male dominated mainstream culture perverted "feminism" into what it has become today lionizing faux femmes as the Women of the Year and female Only Fans prostitutes where sex is an extreme sport. In the fall of 2024 one creator marketed a one day sex stunt of having sex with 100 men in one day. This is the type of "liberation" that mainstream society funneled women into. Women can have all the sex we want or don't want and be called Sluts for enjoying sex too much or Prudes for not wanting it enough. We can be "respected" as sex workers but denied our rights to bodily autonomy through the banishing of Roe v. Wade. If women are to blame for all the present Trans nonsense - it is because we were naive of the perverted intentions of a a certain class of very wealthy and powerful men.
Those men were always scheming and strategizing in the background - focused on normalizing everything from sex-mimickery to pedophilia and everything sexually unspeakable. Men like John Money inventor of the concept of gender as an identity and becoming fraudulently famous for building research on the years long sexual abuse of 2 twin boys; Harry Benjamin - founder of WPATH, Marc Bowers aka Marcie - Benjamin's Acolyte with a legacy of butchering 100s of of children and countless adults under the fiction of Trans medicalization; Martin/Martine Rosenblatt, a multi-millionaire who joined with a handful of other faux femmes to draft International Gender Law - who has also started the Terasem movement promoting the idea that humans can be reduced to mindfiles that can be stored in robots - he has done so by creating a robotic talking head of his wife Bina. How very Narcissistic AGP of him to reduce her female humanity to a head while he claims full "womanhood" through gendersalad ideology, and let us not forget Jennifer once James Pritzker - the multimillionaire philanthropist to LGBTQ+ Dem Party from a family made wealthy through Rand Pharmaceuticals. He is also the cousin to JB Pritzker who served as governor to Illinois State.
The last three men listed are AutoGynophiles - all living full adult male lives with wives, children and high powered careers. These men have never been "in danger" as fey faux femmes. Boers was the youngest to transition at 37, having sired 3 kids and completed his gynecological and surgical residencies. Rosenblatt had 5 kids before he turned his wife into a robot & claimed her womanhood at 40. And Pritzker implausible claimed womanhood at 63 - nearly retirement age following his retirement as a career Military officer in the army leaving as a Lieutenant Colonel. He had 3 children. Oh and can we forget Admiral Rachel Levine once Richard, our last Health Services Secrerary. He was a Pediatrician (Ewwww) and had 2 kids before transitioning at 53.
There are many OTHER very influential AGPs hiding in plain sight manipulating the levers of government and society in stealth. The agenda of the Trans movement comes from Regressive idea that women are sexual objects to be fetishized. And women are NOT at fault for this perversion hiding in the Trojan horse of a Social Justice Movement. Transactivism is and will always be the result of men maniacally focused on normalizing any number of sexual fetishes.
Leave Women the F out of this blame and shamery! Perverted Men started it and society (including women) were naive enough to trust them and follow their lead. But the very women you and they slur as TERFS were visionary in fighting the sexually motivated shenanigans of AGP MEN from the beginning. You would do well to give them their due respect!
Simone De Beauvoir predated all this nonsense. She very well knew that binary sexual Biology existed. She never argued against that reality. What she argued against was the societal LIMITATIONS placed upon women as the "second sex". The AGP led Trans movement has sought to deprive women of NOT ONLY our biological reality but also any respect associated with it. Mother's become pregnant people who have front holes. While Ahole AGPs like Bruce/Katelyn and Dylan Mulvaney Jenner claim honors of Women of the year!
FFS women did NOT choose this for ourselves! Powerful men initiated this corrupt insanity. And if anything - women in society forever being groomed to be agreeable nice girls - went along to get along. As they ALWAYS have in order to survive a male-dominated society that is focused on controlling & erasing them.
The women who have always fought are not called women but TERFS like our rights are a Turf territory to be colonized by men. If you claim to be a supporter of reality - stop spewing the anti-woman AGP propaganda like it is God's truth. Women are NOT to blame for a movement driven by male sexuality.
Simone de Beauvoir and the early feminists were arguing against 'gender stereotyping'. The TRAs base their whole argument precisely on gender stereotyping - this boy is effeminate so he must be a girl - this girl is a tomboy so she must be a boy!! And the fetishistic transvestites have tried to re-invent themselves as 'women' by simply wearing a dress and a wig and tilting their head. How is any of that the fault of feminism!!??
Dusty
I think the frame that this is about 'blame' is not helpful. It's about responsibility as in women's capacity and choice to 'respond' to what's happened. It's undeniable that many women help to drive this movement, protest and denigrate older women Terfs. There are so many 'progressive' women politicians/actors/writers/journalists/doctors committed ideologues that silence and shame women who speak out. These women have not been 'colonised by men' but to argue they have is to argue that women don't have their own mind, will, choice or agency. I reject that. We can't get out of the trans ideology cult until we look more broadly at how ideology works, including feminist ideology, DEI ideology. Queer ideology. Sacred cows stop us thinking - women will never be free until we are accountable as full participants in our politics, culture and society.
The problem is - everyone forgets to focus on WHO is financing and promoting all of this. There are tons of ideas in the academic, business, govt world - but they do not catch fire Unless there are powerful interests behind them. Actual feminist and civil rights movements maybe lasted a couple of decades - until their leaders were murdered, theories were co-opted, and messages distorted. True feminism which focused on giving women equal access to the educational and financial opportunities men have had for millenia - morphed into focusing upon the darling of the male left- the alleged sexual liberation of women.
Women pay to be brainwashed in college - that sexully degrading oneself is honorable work, that men can be women just because they say so, and women are celebrated for flaunting their sexual "power". (But demonized for attempting to achieve power beyond their bodies - see Hillary Clinton) The wealthy men at the top are pulling the strings but - you prefer to ignore this - while blaming women who are following the laws men made. Either they are handmaidens for following the man-made laws or TERFS for defying man made laws. Implausible women are the historical scapegoat of all the sins of men. How predictable. How very Christian - just blame Eve, or before that Pandora - while God & Zeus the Poweful Males set up the women to take the blame from the getgo.
The thing is - the whole discussion originated from some other guys rant on how women are to blame for a movement that is primarily defined by Male Sexual Drive and has been supported by the International Male led institutions.
I would not have stated myself so forcefully, if this wasn't a boilerplate argument dragged out by many alleged friends in this fight against Gender Ideology. I see it all the time on X - Where are the women? Why are women allowing all this to happen? Look at how Simone De Beauvoir and others whose work had nothing to do with trans activism paved the road for TransActivism! Look at how all the Feminists are supporting Trans ID (This is a lie, those women supporting Trans ID against other women - are about as "feminist" as a TransID male is a woman - it is just another example of the corruption of language).
If anyone is to "blame" it is those who have the most power to change all of this - and as you have experienced it yourself, it isn't women. Women are not empowered politically, legally, academically, by media - to shift this movement - unless the powerful men agree to listen to the women. If they HAD the power, the feminists (aka TERFS) who started the fight alone in the 70's would have done so already. Instead, after fighting for nearly 3/4 of a century they are getting blamed - REALLY? And this doesn't piss you off? You have fought harder than most!
As I don't actually hate men, nor do I feel all men or women are to "blame" for the present state of affairs regarding Trans madness - I would place the blame primarily on powerful white men across the political spectrum for facilitating this.
AND coincidentally - powerful white men are the primary individuals that can fix this problem - Thanks Trump. (FYI - this is the one of the rare policies of his I agree with, I did not vote for him)
Had Obama or Biden not been captured by the trans-ideology, they too could have improved things rather than made them worse.
As far as I can see, there is NO woman or group of women who have achieved the amount of world power to make the changes that powerful men in society can make. I wish I was wrong, but I know I am not in this case.
Thank you Jenny and we're thinking of you (here and all over). I don't know enough to know if that is the last ditch attempt and way to appeal against that last ruling. But surely. Surely there is a way. How an entire Nation's governance looks bananas.
'The Australian Human Rights Commission - working hard to push the rights of men everywhere in Australia (forcefully down the throats of all women and girls and watch them choke as we do it)'*
*we would like to acknowledge and pay homage to the original owners of the words 'woman', 'female' and obviously all 'women's rights' that we have stolen as we desecrate women in total and utter contempt
What about women-only safe spaces, meeting places for women who have suffered abuse etc, and are often effectively in hiding from dangerous men? Surely they haven't been "outlawed" as well? Some very bad actors are behind this diabolical attempt at engineering and dividing society. Curses on them.
The only way things will change here in Oz is if the ruling party repeals Gillard’s law and we stop this distinction between sex and gender. I can’t see it happening with either of the main parties. The Nationals are fairly conservative but their partners on the Liberal party are gutless with a few notable exceptions.
Thanks for this.
Amazing the contrast between Melbourne then and the situation now!
But I have been spending a fortnight reporting on the amazing Executive Orders - could the ship be turning?
Have cross posted
https://dustymasterson.substack.com/p/central-station
Dusty
Hmm, Jenny. I'm going to bow out of this thread. A feminist civil war is no place for a man. I can do without all the rage. It confirms what I thought about the majority of vocal feminist activists. Enjoy the debate.
Patrick, I watched you walk into that, and that is part of the problem. I hoped you wouldn't. But it's not up to me to warn you and a few tried and you persisted and in some unconsidered statements about this debate and in fact our history and personal history. Wish I'd had money on it. Please don't blame anyone here for having the grace to respond to you and give you answers when you gave the impression you wanted to know. Often it's incredibly useful to have a range of views expressed in many different ways and we are adults. I have done stakeholder work and you might be surprised by what is expressed in rooms and how you need to leave your own reaction and response aside in order to create the space and hear honest views in a dialogue. It requires a trust.
It's not up to women to keep explaining to men as we are often criticised for not doing it in the right way, as in the way you want. The way that might be more comfortable, usual or habitual for you. Many here were very restrained. Men have shaped the debate, and it is men who still tell us women what we are - it's constraining and coercive. Being physically bigger and louder is usually the key way in person that is done and it shapes how we communicate. Intimidation. We have to find new ways, eternally and continually to get our voices heard. We have ennui having to teach, to be kind, to explain over and over and over. When all the world's knowledge is at your fingertips. Britannica and Wiki links might not ever get a great reception in more serious debates or fora. Which this is as the range of hellish abuses are covered. Shrinking violets will find it tough as well as battle-hardened ones like me who've seen it all and am lucky to be alive. I wouldn't even suggest you weren't mansplaining then oddly slip into exactly that.
Did you already have your thoughts on what it might be like, and whatever happened has just confirmed what you thought about an area and women you have said you are not maybe well-versed in? That shows an inflexibility of thought and unwillingness to change. How can you ask questions and seek knowledge then reconfirm your own original position? What would we have to do or say to convince you? Many of us are sick of the lack of parity in who is expected to bend and accommodate the other. Usual male or female or gendered roles are taken and assigned.
To be schooled in how to debate, then how you wish women or anyone here to debate, risks what has obviously happened. It is robust at times here and many of us, me included have less and less patience for the more fragile egos. You have to catch up and we trust you can if you want to. Why did you leave that until now? Perhaps consider is it not up to us as girls or women, or feminists, or anyone, male or female to carefully guide you to what conclusions you want to get to. Maybe read and listen to some men if you find their style easier to hear. They often are saying exactly what we say and write. Men sometimes find men easier to listen to. To pay attention to. Many often believe and assume I am a man due to my professional role and it's hilarious how interactions go - they're easier and things get done, in a different way. Then in a room with mainly men or women our conversational styles or confidence can hamper outcomes.
This is not a 'feminist civil war'. That's veering towards if not hugely offensive and not going to win you friends. A few of us gave the time and attention to explain, and give you answers and a potted Simone history as you appeared to want to know. I like and love men and am no way a man hater or all the other things that are regularly hurled our way. We have to have hugely tough outer shells.
And rage? It comes with the territory I am afraid. And confusion, terror, frustration, fear, annoyance, loss, bemusement and the rest. I am usually very cautious and metered in my language as I have to be in my profession. But that accusation doesn't barely cover even slightly what I feel. Many of us are very used to having the way we debate, the way we are, the way we look, think and do everything criticised. When we risk using our voice we are told it's still not right, best reconsider, best not do it like that.
I raise my hat, a glass and a smile to all those who persisted and all those brave and courageous women and men who carried on being 'vocal' and to 'vocal feminist activists'.
Patrick - I am sure you are a very nice man. I know whenever I debate, I am not being personal. And if you took anything I said as a personal offenc Women are on the damned if they do and damned if they don't reality. Women are defensive, because we are being attacked by both "friend" and foe. So while you may feel like you are just harmlessly stating an opinion - it has the potential to trigger a history of heartache. Just understand regarding this issue - women are waking up to a history of trauma, that lays dormant in us all.
We have been confronted with our spaces, language, identity being officially erased in the laws of many lands. I have chosen to take an avatar in Substack related to politics, because I have been banned from from speaking out against Gender Ideology on another writing platform, and I don't want to be personally cancelled as well.
I hope you continue to support women in this fight. We need as many sincere, intelligent men in the battle! But please understand - women are under attack AND expected to defend our rights and attack those taking them at the same time. It seems for many men - it is a big SHRUG, except for kids being transitioned. No one is saying TransMen are MEN. That is never going to happen.
So I would invite you to engage in this little thought experiment : just imagine if a Alien body-snatchers were invading men's bodies/spaces/language and claiming to be men, even better than natural men - and women who were ruling the land were facilitating this process. And on top of this - whenever this horror was being discussed - women would point out how men aren't defending themselves well enough, and in FACT there was some man in the last century who spoke out about the limitations culture put on masculinity (prior to the Alien invasion) - and how so many men are not fighting against the laws of the land .... how would you feel?