Yup. All of this. It's a kind of verbal trickery that is there to root out the blasphemers : you confirm your adherence to the cult under threat of being denounced. It reminds me of the Romans making the early Christians put a pinch of incense on a pagan altar- just do this one little pronoun circle because you're not a nasty bigot, are you? Just pretend Jupiter exists. Just pretend we all have gender-souls.
Agreed. But Alex said he would call Rose of Dawn 'she' because 'do as you would be done by'. But not call others 'they'. He needs to clarify this as it is an inconsiderate position.
Or its taking a individual on merit. Rose of Dawn is not going to get upset and have a stompy temper tantrum because someone has used he/him pronouns as a default instinctive response.
Whereas, would anyone want to refer to some of the um...more trenchant tras, as "she/her" at all? If not, why not? In many cases it will be due to those trenchant tras being arrogant, narcissistic twats who are doing whatever they can to enforce **their** demands of how they want to be viewed on everyone else.
Oh god, It's like Leo Kearse said in that extremely funny standup routine he does. "It's called microaggresion, which is basically an agresion so small you should really ignore it. All of them should go to Glasgow and witness some really large aggressions"
Inconsistent - so the author thinks that using "they" for a single referent, is not reasonable but using "she" for a male referent is reasonable because hey, Rose of Dawn is nice and 'do as you would be done by'.?
One rule for people (men, it seems) he likes and another for the young people he doesn't like. The author is conferring the requested pronouns on people depending on his own feelings of largesse at the time. How noble. Except - truth. It's not true. 'She' is a pronoun for females not males. And the reality? Women, it is women who lose their descriptors and hence the language used in law to protect them, not men. 'Her penis' anyone?
Hypocritical article with a huge blind spot. Women. 'She/her' in surface structure refers to 'the woman'' in deep structure, transformational Grammar. Do we say that the word woman = adult human female or woman = any one male or female who wants to be called a woman? Come ON! This is basic stuff and I'm sick and tired of men telling women (or inferring) that we are nasty and mean for not calling the trans women they like 'she' while they calling out other trans women. It's incredibly arrogant. This is not your word. Call your friends what you want in the pub, but not in public life because a. It's not true b. It's an insidious coercion of speech c. It undermines women's legal rights and d. It is a form of gas lighting. IE emotional and mental abuse
Buddha said, 'Even wicked men, animals and women can achieve enlightenment'. In that order. The assignation of logic, calmness, godliness to males and emotionality, wickedness, baseness and all that is not holy to women animals and elemental nature is nothing new.
What did it feel like to be tolerated?! Were you grateful!!? They were the kind ones!! Ha, this is nuts. Well done though, I think that is quite tough. I would have to do the same as you as I can never remember names in meetings, let alone individual pronoun preferences!
Agreed, Anna, but just one thing ~ intersex people are still either male or female. They have varying "disorders/differences in sexual development" (anything from vanishingly rare "ambiguous genitalia" to weird-ass chromosomal trisomies) but they are not a third sex, both, neither or fluid. Sorry to be pedantic but give the Genderstapo an inch of *Yeah but whataboutery* and they'll run a mile with it 😘
Agreeing with Shauna. Those who have a DSD (referred to as "intersex") have an actual medical condition. Often this condition has other far reaching medical implications than the sexual development part (some have affects on heart health, stature etc).
It should never been referred to when discussing two sexes: female and male as those with DSDs fall into one or other state.
Yup. All of this. It's a kind of verbal trickery that is there to root out the blasphemers : you confirm your adherence to the cult under threat of being denounced. It reminds me of the Romans making the early Christians put a pinch of incense on a pagan altar- just do this one little pronoun circle because you're not a nasty bigot, are you? Just pretend Jupiter exists. Just pretend we all have gender-souls.
Agreed. But Alex said he would call Rose of Dawn 'she' because 'do as you would be done by'. But not call others 'they'. He needs to clarify this as it is an inconsiderate position.
Or its taking a individual on merit. Rose of Dawn is not going to get upset and have a stompy temper tantrum because someone has used he/him pronouns as a default instinctive response.
Whereas, would anyone want to refer to some of the um...more trenchant tras, as "she/her" at all? If not, why not? In many cases it will be due to those trenchant tras being arrogant, narcissistic twats who are doing whatever they can to enforce **their** demands of how they want to be viewed on everyone else.
Inconsistent - auto spelling.
Brilliant! Enjoyed reading that and lots of good points!
Utterly brilliant analysis. Signed up and fired up for the WHRC webinar at 3pm 👏💪🙏🔥
Thank you, Angus.
Outstanding! 👏👏👏👏👏
Oh god, It's like Leo Kearse said in that extremely funny standup routine he does. "It's called microaggresion, which is basically an agresion so small you should really ignore it. All of them should go to Glasgow and witness some really large aggressions"
I find the latinx thing particularly weird because English already has a gender-neutral version of latina/latino. It's latin. As in Latin America.
Inconsistent - so the author thinks that using "they" for a single referent, is not reasonable but using "she" for a male referent is reasonable because hey, Rose of Dawn is nice and 'do as you would be done by'.?
One rule for people (men, it seems) he likes and another for the young people he doesn't like. The author is conferring the requested pronouns on people depending on his own feelings of largesse at the time. How noble. Except - truth. It's not true. 'She' is a pronoun for females not males. And the reality? Women, it is women who lose their descriptors and hence the language used in law to protect them, not men. 'Her penis' anyone?
Hypocritical article with a huge blind spot. Women. 'She/her' in surface structure refers to 'the woman'' in deep structure, transformational Grammar. Do we say that the word woman = adult human female or woman = any one male or female who wants to be called a woman? Come ON! This is basic stuff and I'm sick and tired of men telling women (or inferring) that we are nasty and mean for not calling the trans women they like 'she' while they calling out other trans women. It's incredibly arrogant. This is not your word. Call your friends what you want in the pub, but not in public life because a. It's not true b. It's an insidious coercion of speech c. It undermines women's legal rights and d. It is a form of gas lighting. IE emotional and mental abuse
Buddha said, 'Even wicked men, animals and women can achieve enlightenment'. In that order. The assignation of logic, calmness, godliness to males and emotionality, wickedness, baseness and all that is not holy to women animals and elemental nature is nothing new.
What did it feel like to be tolerated?! Were you grateful!!? They were the kind ones!! Ha, this is nuts. Well done though, I think that is quite tough. I would have to do the same as you as I can never remember names in meetings, let alone individual pronoun preferences!
JFC 😡
Thanks, Sandra ~ that looks really interesting. Will read up later 😘
Agreed, Anna, but just one thing ~ intersex people are still either male or female. They have varying "disorders/differences in sexual development" (anything from vanishingly rare "ambiguous genitalia" to weird-ass chromosomal trisomies) but they are not a third sex, both, neither or fluid. Sorry to be pedantic but give the Genderstapo an inch of *Yeah but whataboutery* and they'll run a mile with it 😘
Agreeing with Shauna. Those who have a DSD (referred to as "intersex") have an actual medical condition. Often this condition has other far reaching medical implications than the sexual development part (some have affects on heart health, stature etc).
It should never been referred to when discussing two sexes: female and male as those with DSDs fall into one or other state.