I just hope we can all move on and there won't be more controversies among ourselves. We don't need it. We really are pushing that crap back, let's not fall out.
I'm a bit slow on the uptake but I see that Alba in Scotland is attracting women for its stance on protecting women's hard fought rights. Let's hope the SNP lose more to Alba - whatever Salmond's faults.
Please, everyone, fill in the UK Govt. Consultation around banning Conversion Therapy, in any way, big or small, you feel confident. Sex Matters and Transgendertrend have guidance. Joining in a small way is better than doing nothing - to stop 'gender identity' being conflated with sexuality , this ideological concept entering into legislation, and teachers, parents and mental health professionals being criminalised for exploring why children and young people feel they are the opposite 'gender'. Women mobilised in 2018 to take part in the GRA Consultation and it had real impact. We must do it again.https://sex-matters.org/take-action/conversion-therapy-consultation/www.transgendertrend.com/guide-government-conversion-therapy-consultation/
It’s sounds like men just like to abuse and dominate anyone different ie women and homosexuals to maintain there money and privilege and keep their unpaid slaves and sex slaves or be outed. It is extremely painful to look at this and stay stable about the horrors done that are evident. They’ve always gone too far. If we can’t forgive ourselves for any reactions we may have, like literal and figurative vomiting, it simply means we’re can’t accept human. People get their homes and families destroyed for minor things and some words isn’t the worst thing done. People are oppressed and grieving an entirely broken reality recognising this is not and has never been a benign system. Which many women already know it is set up and gamed to exploit us. Men simply don’t know or care about how it feels for us…and when I say men I only refer to men as a class not individual. But the problem is structural as much as anything. No consequences for men’s bad behaviour toward “others”. Women, homosexuals and children. We should be working together to normalise our rights needs and contributions to society and economies as we are, in fact, the majority and all things should reflect that. No wonder misogynists are desperate and afraid and want to continue to erase us all.
Listening to Matt D arguing with theists on The Atheist Experience is jaw dropping when you consider his stance on trans. It’s really hard to hear him blustering on about objective reality, feelings not being a reliable path to truth, not presenting opinions as facts etc without bursting into incredulous laughter.
I like the dynamics of the Mess...and as I am an odd fish in all of this as a (JW).
There are loads of points I don't agree with.
But the central point is men can NEVER become women.
You learn from different views either to adjust your thinking... or to say no thank you.
Helen and Arty are good co hosts with you Graham.
Good talking points and entertainment.
Thank you.
Civil discourse involves civil disagreement. Well done team
I just hope we can all move on and there won't be more controversies among ourselves. We don't need it. We really are pushing that crap back, let's not fall out.
I'm a bit slow on the uptake but I see that Alba in Scotland is attracting women for its stance on protecting women's hard fought rights. Let's hope the SNP lose more to Alba - whatever Salmond's faults.
Thanks. Watched it. I think everyone got a chance to air their opinions.
Yes, sometimes it's good to release the pressure, besides, we don't want to turn into no-platforming and no debate fascists. That's the TRA's job.
Please, everyone, fill in the UK Govt. Consultation around banning Conversion Therapy, in any way, big or small, you feel confident. Sex Matters and Transgendertrend have guidance. Joining in a small way is better than doing nothing - to stop 'gender identity' being conflated with sexuality , this ideological concept entering into legislation, and teachers, parents and mental health professionals being criminalised for exploring why children and young people feel they are the opposite 'gender'. Women mobilised in 2018 to take part in the GRA Consultation and it had real impact. We must do it again.https://sex-matters.org/take-action/conversion-therapy-consultation/www.transgendertrend.com/guide-government-conversion-therapy-consultation/
I'm getting a page not found, here's another https://sex-matters.org/posts/sex/legislating-with-out-evidence/
This consultation closes at 11:45pm on Friday 10 December 2021. Less than a week.
Here are the questions
https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/banning-conversion-therapy/banning-conversion-therapy
And here is the online form
https://equalityhub.citizenspace.com/government-equalities-office/banning-conversion-therapy/
Thanks for your correction TSBL.
No correction! An addition. I loved your post and I am a broken or missing link monitor :-)
clarification! : )
Graham, Artie and Helen are for me all On the Side of The Angels, and I don't say that about many people.
Dear Arty, Don't drink and Tweet? But it is nothing, we are all on the same page really. Best wishes.
I didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition! And truly there was not one. There was a strengthening of the bonds it felt like!
It’s sounds like men just like to abuse and dominate anyone different ie women and homosexuals to maintain there money and privilege and keep their unpaid slaves and sex slaves or be outed. It is extremely painful to look at this and stay stable about the horrors done that are evident. They’ve always gone too far. If we can’t forgive ourselves for any reactions we may have, like literal and figurative vomiting, it simply means we’re can’t accept human. People get their homes and families destroyed for minor things and some words isn’t the worst thing done. People are oppressed and grieving an entirely broken reality recognising this is not and has never been a benign system. Which many women already know it is set up and gamed to exploit us. Men simply don’t know or care about how it feels for us…and when I say men I only refer to men as a class not individual. But the problem is structural as much as anything. No consequences for men’s bad behaviour toward “others”. Women, homosexuals and children. We should be working together to normalise our rights needs and contributions to society and economies as we are, in fact, the majority and all things should reflect that. No wonder misogynists are desperate and afraid and want to continue to erase us all.
Oops should spellcheck and proof ^ in case pedants with big computer screens and tech are about, instead of my tiny phone, ^ “their”. 😂
I have hairy legs and I’m not male Arty 😂
And religion like all other constructs is built on the bones, blood and pain of women and often their children as well. All unacknowledged.
Listening to Matt D arguing with theists on The Atheist Experience is jaw dropping when you consider his stance on trans. It’s really hard to hear him blustering on about objective reality, feelings not being a reliable path to truth, not presenting opinions as facts etc without bursting into incredulous laughter.